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Topic: State Bracket Preview- MEDAL TOTALS Posted: Mar 10 2011 at 5:20pm |
Well, I guess I better get this up! My final analysis of the brackets shows 24 as the low number, and 27 as the high number of medals, so we're looking at about 25 medals. Which is very respectable, and should put the SE region in contention for the overall title. We'll see how it all turns out tomorrow, but whether our wrestlers win it or not, their performance should continue to establish our region as one of the best in PA, and after so many years of futility it still feels really good to be a part of all of it. We all have lots of reason to be very proud of them  Good luck everyone! Greg
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Posted: Mar 10 2011 at 5:38pm |
looks like 24 will be a little high.
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Posted: Mar 10 2011 at 5:38pm |
Yeah, tough go of it for sepa thus far
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Posted: Mar 10 2011 at 5:40pm |
same story different year
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Posted: Mar 10 2011 at 6:27pm |
CAC wrote:
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Is this comment a joke too? Greg
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Posted: Mar 10 2011 at 6:36pm |
I mean what do you want me to say to that? Our region is weak. It is just the way it is. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
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Posted: Mar 10 2011 at 6:45pm |
Thank God for the Rappos, otherwise this District would never win anything.
Before everyone jumps on me, that is meant to be a joke. Sort of.
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Posted: Mar 10 2011 at 7:16pm |
I count 21 from SEPA in the qtrs.. One weight class (152) where we were shut out..
37.5% win percentage in the first round is not a great start for the region..
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Posted: Mar 10 2011 at 7:34pm |
While it is not a great start, it is just under what the average is if you divide the 112 possible quaterfinalists by the 5 of regions the average is 22.4. While not great it is not like it was 15 or 16...
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Posted: Mar 10 2011 at 7:41pm |
Also remember that all of our 4th and a good deal of our 3rd place finishers get Regional champs out of the gate. This does not usually bode well for the 3's & 4's.
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Posted: Mar 10 2011 at 7:47pm |
nice to see alot of d1 boys pulling off the upsets in the wrestlebacks. disanto, dutrow, romano, and nunz.
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Posted: Mar 10 2011 at 7:48pm |
Yeah the kids seem to be bouncing back..
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Posted: Mar 11 2011 at 12:16pm |
Exactly right Six, they bounced back and are doing nearly as well as I expected.
As far as the totals, 24 medals is still a very good possibility. I don't know if this is enough to be the top region, but we won't be the worst. Lots of the remaining matches are winnable. And as far as, ahem, our region being weak, my feelings aren't hurt because we have 38 of 56 entrants still alive. That's 68% and that is far from weak. I'm always going to have a beef whenever someone who claims to be a fan of our region makes statements and/or jokes about our wrestlers when they are working their butts off against the toughest wrestlers in the country. If our region was going through a weak period, because being weak year after year is now a thing of the past, you better believe I'd know it and beat almost all of you in saying it. This isn't the case with our 2011 entrants. They are still very much in the hunt.
In closing, the fact that not even 1 of the very many talented freshmen made it to Hershey is a sign that our region is strong. Some of these kids, like Scott Parker as an example, (who beat our #4 at 103 twice this year) could have made it out of the other regions. This last bunch is going to produce state champs and many medals before they are finished, and are going to beat many of the freshman from the other regions. As long as we continue to get yearly infusions of this kind of talent coming to D1 or D12 rather than the private non PIAA concerns, we're always going to be moving in the right direction and be able to win regional medal totals.
All my best to our 38 wrestlers still alive. May your hard work pay off and all your dreams of mat glory and Hershey hardware come true!
Greg
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Posted: Mar 11 2011 at 12:26pm |
The State tourney in PA is unforgiving. The best of the best are there. You can be a regional champ hitting a number 3 from another region and guess what.. It doesn't matter. All those talking about seeding (seriously?). Accept it. You're hitting someone good right out of the gate. There's no hiding and ALL matches can be considered finals matches to be honest.
What makes this tournament series so interesting (and why the PA kids do well at the next level) is that it is a meat grinder and it prepares them well for the college level. Congrats to ALL the kids for just making it out there. I know they ALL want to be champs and ALL want to medal but they've already accomplished so much already. Try to enjoy the moment and go as deep as you can.
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Posted: Mar 11 2011 at 1:13pm |
Hello all,
Numbers do not tell us everything, but they also don't lie. Here are some of the numbers from the first round:
No. of winners Success rate SC 29 69% SW 24 57% NE 21 50% NW 17 40% SE 21 38%
Tough round for our boys, but it is a long tournament and the fat lady hasn't started singing yet.
But as previously pointed out, it might not be completely fair to compare the performance of our 4th placers equally (as the numbers above do) with the other regions that do not have a 4th place representative. In fact, not a single 4th placer won their opening match. So if you remove the 4th placers from our figures, and focus on how out first three place winners did, we are competing as well (probably better) than the mighty NE region with the famous D11...both of us would be at 50%. How can I claim better, because I know many of their first round wins were against our 4th placers, so their numbers are positively skewed and inflated their first round performance.
In short, although the numbers may not look great, they might be slightly deceiving and it may actually be that we are competing quite admirably. Let's hope our fortunes improve in the later rounds, but not as bad a start as some may have perceived in the early round.
Finally, I too want to make a shout out to DiSanto, Dutrow, Romano and Nunz. Way to bounce back and pull pretty big upsets! Now go earn a medal!
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Posted: Mar 11 2011 at 3:08pm |
OK Let me add my 2 cents to this discussion. Overall, of the 56 wrestlers from SE region competing in the state tournament, 21 won their first round matches, which is a winning percentage of 38%. Since there are 16 wrestlers in each bracket, the SE region would expect a 25% win percentage. However this doesn’t take into account the skill level of the opponents, it assumes all wrestlers are equal. There is really no optimal way to evaluate if a wrestler should win or lose a match at this level, but for the sake of my analysis, I make the assumption that the SE region place-winners are evenly matched with the sample place-winners from other regions. For example the first place winners would be about the same skill level as first place from other regions and so on for the other place winners. For example if our 1st place winner and the 1st place winner from any other region were to wrestle 100 matches, you would expect about 50 wins and 50 losses.
With that said, you would expect our first place winners to win nearly every match since they are paired with 3rd and 4th place winners from other regions. Additionally, you would expect our 4th place finishers to lose every match when paired with 1st place winners from other regions.
Of SE regions 1st place winners, 11 of 14 did win their first round matches, or 79% win percentage. The three that lost, lost to 3rd place winners from other regions. This anomaly could be explained by a relatively weak weight class in our region where the competition wasn’t as good as other regions, or other regions being stacked with better competition. Also, the three that lost in the preliminaries won their first round consolation matches. So I would say of this cohort of wrestlers SE did as expected, or slightly worse than expected, but not by much.
Of the SE region 4th place finishers, 14 of 14 lost their first round matches as expected. Not much else needs to be said about this group.
The 2nd and 3rd place winners from each region should match up fairly evenly with each other. You would expect about a 50% win rate when wrestling other 2/3 place winners, however you would still expect a higher loss percentage when our 3rd place winner is paired with a 1st place winner from another region.
Of SE region’s 2nd place winners, 6 of 14 won their first round matches, or 43% win rate. When the group wrestled other regions 2nd place winners, they won 4 and lost 6 matches. Against 3rd place finishers, they were 2 and 2. This is about what you would expect.
Of the SE region’s 3rd place winners, 4 of 14 won their first round matches, a 29% win rate. When paired with 1st place finishers this group had 3 wins and 9 losses, which is better than expected. When paired with 2nd place finishers, they were 1 and 1, which is what you would expect. So this group did slightly better than expected.
In the first consolation round, you would expect most of the wrestlers to be of similar skill level, and thus have close to a 50% win rate. Indeed, SE region won 17 of 35 first round consolation matches, or a 49% win rate. Of this group 3 of 3 first place finishers won (100%), 6 of 8 2nd place finishers won (75%), 4 of 10 3rd place finishers won (40%), and 4 of 14 4th place finishers won (29%).
So, based on my analysis of the first round and first consolation rounds, my assessment would be that the SE region wrestlers are winning at the expected rate and, based on my assumption, our wrestlers are of equal skill level to the skill levels of other regions. So our first ranked wrestlers are beating the 2nd, 3rd and 4th ranked wrestlers from other regions, as expected. And our 3rd and 4th ranked wrestlers are losing to the 1st place winners from other regions. So our region is competitive with other regions of PA.
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Posted: Mar 11 2011 at 4:14pm |
Unless I counted wrong, I think we're getting 23 medals.
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Posted: Mar 11 2011 at 4:16pm |
23 medals for the SE, meaning I was one off from my low prediction. Nice job guys, we're still very respectable as a region and thank you Hop Devil for the very nice analysis.
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Posted: Mar 11 2011 at 4:35pm |
HopDevil wrote:
OK Let me add my 2 cents to this discussion. Overall, of the 56 wrestlers from SE region competing in the state tournament, 21 won their first round matches, which is a winning percentage of 38%. Since there are 16 wrestlers in each bracket, the SE region would expect a 25% win percentage... |
Why would we expect a 25% win percentage? If all wrestlers were equal we should win 50% of our matches.
I would expect the number to be just under 50%, not because the other regions are better than us, but we send 4 and they only send 3 per weight class. I think it's fair to assume that, over the long haul, our regional winners are as good as everyone elses, and our second placers are as good as the second placers in the other regions, same hold true for 3rd place. Unless our 4th placers are as good as the third placers in the other regions I'd expect our region to win just under 50%.
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Posted: Mar 11 2011 at 4:49pm |
13 in consi's 10 in semi's
not bad at all
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