Reform Bill

Better late than never!

True, but all sports are in the same boat.  The "privates" win 9/10 championships.  This gives the PIAA the opportunity to level the playing field and create a non boundary division.  It actually would make it okay to recruit or make super teams (we know it's happening now but teams are getting around the rules by claiming they are a child of God...we all are, but you know what I mean).  The problem right now is the super teams are competing against the Bristols and New Hopes of the world.  Not belittling either program, they just have 0 and that is a 0.00000% chance of beating a team like Faith.  BECA at their height was no different...same goes for McCort.  Why continue to let it happen when you can make a simple change by adding a division and everybody is better off.  Heck, it might even lure Sem, Malvern, etc into the PIAA.  Could you imagine a Team Duals with BECA, Faith, Sem, Malvern, McCort in the same bracket!?

Edited by James Hellwig - May 14 2025 at 2:18pm

dicemen99 wrote: Dodfan wrote: PIAA playoff reform bill advances out of Pa. House committee • Pennsylvania Capital-Star I've been disappointed so many times so it's hard to get excited that something is finally going to happen. Having said that, a 20-6 Bipartisan vote out of committee is typically going to pass both houses of Congress. Fingers crossed that it's the law soon.  I don't see why we would get excited about this on a wrestling board. Football, yeah. But wrestling, no. There is not anything going on now that hasn't gone on in wrestling for the last 40 years. You can just change the names - sub Easton for BECA, Central Dauphin for McCort, etc., etc. You're probably up in arms about McCort. They'll be ashes in four years, just like they were before after having some success 10 to 15 years ago through recruiting. Who cares? Elite kids wrestle together in clubs when they are young and then find a way to wrestle together in HS. You only need a half dozen of them to build a juggernaut in wrestling, unlike football. This has been going on a long time in wrestling both with publics and privates. Yeah, football is out of control, but in wrestling this is much ado about nothing.

Dodfan wrote: dicemen99 wrote: Dodfan wrote: PIAA playoff reform bill advances out of Pa. House committee • Pennsylvania Capital-Star I've been disappointed so many times so it's hard to get excited that something is finally going to happen. Having said that, a 20-6 Bipartisan vote out of committee is typically going to pass both houses of Congress. Fingers crossed that it's the law soon.  I don't see why we would get excited about this on a wrestling board. Football, yeah. But wrestling, no. There is not anything going on now that hasn't gone on in wrestling for the last 40 years. You can just change the names - sub Easton for BECA, Central Dauphin for McCort, etc., etc. You're probably up in arms about McCort. They'll be ashes in four years, just like they were before after having some success 10 to 15 years ago through recruiting. Who cares? Elite kids wrestle together in clubs when they are young and then find a way to wrestle together in HS. You only need a half dozen of them to build a juggernaut in wrestling, unlike football. This has been going on a long time in wrestling both with publics and privates. Yeah, football is out of control, but in wrestling this is much ado about nothing.  So, I'll agree and disagree. Football, Basketball and Baseball will be changed immediately. The PIAA won't touch these other sports (at least at first). You mention Easton, Central Dauphin, throw in Connellsville from the mid 2000s, Nazareth late 2000s, Franklin Regional mid 2010s; the vast majority of those teams were home grown wrestlers. Were there some elite transfers? Yes, no question. Is that comparable to what Beca, FCA and McCort are doing now?  That's an outrageous comparison! Football is out of control. I 100 percent agree. SJP has probably 5-10 players that will eventually be on NFL rosters. Them playing a public-school team that might have one D1 player and three D3 players is not fair.  Wrestling much ado about nothing? There were 111 teams that qualified at least one wrestler for AA states in 2025. Out of the 13 champions, nine of them were from three schools. So, three out of 111 is less than 3 percent (call it 2.75). Those three schools made up nearly 70 percent of the champions. The 2.75 percent of the schools win 70 percent of the titles.  Also, those three teams scored roughly 40-45 percent of the team points. The remaining 108 teams scored less than 60 percent of the team points. This is completely out of control, IMO.

dicemen99 wrote: Dodfan wrote: dicemen99 wrote: Dodfan wrote: PIAA playoff reform bill advances out of Pa. House committee • Pennsylvania Capital-Star I've been disappointed so many times so it's hard to get excited that something is finally going to happen. Having said that, a 20-6 Bipartisan vote out of committee is typically going to pass both houses of Congress. Fingers crossed that it's the law soon.  I don't see why we would get excited about this on a wrestling board. Football, yeah. But wrestling, no. There is not anything going on now that hasn't gone on in wrestling for the last 40 years. You can just change the names - sub Easton for BECA, Central Dauphin for McCort, etc., etc. You're probably up in arms about McCort. They'll be ashes in four years, just like they were before after having some success 10 to 15 years ago through recruiting. Who cares? Elite kids wrestle together in clubs when they are young and then find a way to wrestle together in HS. You only need a half dozen of them to build a juggernaut in wrestling, unlike football. This has been going on a long time in wrestling both with publics and privates. Yeah, football is out of control, but in wrestling this is much ado about nothing.  So, I'll agree and disagree. Football, Basketball and Baseball will be changed immediately. The PIAA won't touch these other sports (at least at first). You mention Easton, Central Dauphin, throw in Connellsville from the mid 2000s, Nazareth late 2000s, Franklin Regional mid 2010s; the vast majority of those teams were home grown wrestlers. Were there some elite transfers? Yes, no question. Is that comparable to what Beca, FCA and McCort are doing now?  That's an outrageous comparison! Football is out of control. I 100 percent agree. SJP has probably 5-10 players that will eventually be on NFL rosters. Them playing a public-school team that might have one D1 player and three D3 players is not fair.  Wrestling much ado about nothing? There were 111 teams that qualified at least one wrestler for AA states in 2025. Out of the 13 champions, nine of them were from three schools. So, three out of 111 is less than 3 percent (call it 2.75). Those three schools made up nearly 70 percent of the champions. The 2.75 percent of the schools win 70 percent of the titles.  Also, those three teams scored roughly 40-45 percent of the team points. The remaining 108 teams scored less than 60 percent of the team points. This is completely out of control, IMO.  Disagree about Easton, CD, etc. Home grown is a relative term. For some odd reason, people get less up in arms about a kid from Glendon who ends up wrestling at Easton in the 90s, than a kid from Forks who ends up at BECA nowadays. When in actuality the former is breaking the rules, and the latter isn't. It's also apples to oranges. The 3 teams you are complaining about - in most people's minds they have NO homegrown wrestlers. So of course it seems like they have more transfers.  Clearfield had 30 to 40% of the state champs throughout most years in the 40s. Lock Haven had the same in the 60s. Northampton was trotting out 33% of the champs and 10 medalists in the 2000s. None of those teams were exclusively made up of wrestlers that grew up in their school district boundaries. FCA and McCort haven't broken any of these records that I know of. What is happening now is nothing new in wrestling. And the parochials are cyclical. You're complaining about McCort now, check back with me in 3 years. People were up in arms about NDGP a few years ago - how about now?

Dodfan: So in essence you wish to find a solution to a "problem" that you have acknowledged probably won't be a problem in three years. In three years, instead of letting time solve a "problem" you think needs immediate fixing, will you demand an immediate  solution to a problem created by fixing the prior "problem" you thought was so important , but is now no longer a problem? Asking for a friend.