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Topic: PSU Posted: Mar 19 2021 at 11:33pm |
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Posted: Mar 21 2021 at 1:20pm |
If Lee returns, and why wouldn't he, and PSU figures out 149 (Bartlett grows into) and 165 (Facundo shrinks) they could have 10 AAs next year and Iowa's 1 year rental of the team trophy will be over. Seriously, Iowa has some work to do. I think Marinelli is likely done and does Kemerer really come back for a 7th year? They're just not good enough at the other weights. On top of that Sanderson/Cunningham/Sanderson are far better tacticians and give their guys better chances to win. The job they did with RBY in preparing for Fix and the ability to turn around the results for Lee and Starocci is amazing. Its funny how a PSU wrestler loses the first match up and then wins the next and goes on to dominate after. Coaching!
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Posted: Mar 21 2021 at 2:16pm |
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Posted: Mar 21 2021 at 2:37pm |
One thing about PSU is they have the ability to adapt to the other wrestler's style. Their strategy in the matches is on a different level. The previous group was all about scoring all the time. This group tends to be more focused on controlling the tempo and flow of the bouts. The coaching staff is really good at tapping the individual strengths of their wrestlers and getting their mindset right. They have a way of getting the most out of their kids. I am really interested to watch the development of Howard and Berge going forward since they are not the most talented guys at their weights, but the coaches will help them reach their potential.
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Posted: Mar 21 2021 at 2:52pm |
Would you rather be second in the tournament as a team but have 4 champs or win the team title but have a bad finals session? I have to imagine it was a bittersweet flight home with Iowa coming up small when it counted most.
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Posted: Mar 21 2021 at 5:28pm |
PA national champs- Starocci ECP, Lee FR, any others I missed?
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Posted: Mar 21 2021 at 6:29pm |
And 5 second placers
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Posted: Mar 21 2021 at 10:53pm |
How many PA all Americans?
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Posted: Mar 21 2021 at 11:14pm |
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Posted: Mar 24 2021 at 12:04pm |
I heard a weird statistic and so I looked it up. It's true. Since 2016, Penn State is 24-1 in the NCAA semi-finals. They really know how to strategically plan for those big bouts. The Nits gameplan for their next bout at Nationals, while the other programs seem to take things as they come. For example, in the same period, Iowa is 9-8 in semi-final bouts. That's kind of what you might expect, just looking at the vagaries of seeding, laws of chance, injuries, upsets. Probably most programs feel pretty happy pushing 50% of their semi-finalists into the finals. Not good enough for Penn State. They have a 96% success rate in the semi's.
Why would top talent go anywhere else?
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Posted: Mar 24 2021 at 1:11pm |
OC if you want to become a world or Olympic champion odds are your chances are better at Iowa with Tom Brands and or of course John Smith at Okie State. Cael Sanderson's great at collegiate not at winning world championships. The top dogs if that's their ultimate goal to get to the top of the world threshold and peek from that roof instead of national many top talent aspires for a global worldwide vantage point.
One guy wins it and most of the world Olympic champions are Muslim at this point so better figure out something else to do rather than just do what you're doing right now because it seems like they're getting better and the US is staying the course they've only won one world championship in the last 26 years.
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Posted: Mar 24 2021 at 1:28pm |
Berwyn wrote:
OC if you want to become a world or Olympic champion odds are your chances are better at Iowa with Tom Brands and or of course John Smith at Okie State. Cael Sanderson's great at collegiate not at winning world championships. The top dogs if that's their ultimate goal to get to the top of the world threshold and peek from that roof instead of national many top talent aspires for a global worldwide vantage point.
One guy wins it and most of the world Olympic champions are Muslim at this point so better figure out something else to do rather than just do what you're doing right now because it seems like they're getting better and the US is staying the course they've only won one world championship in the last 26 years. |
How many wrestlers every decade actually have a legit chance at becoming an Olympic champion? A handful? Two handfuls? I guarantee you more Americans will know Spencer Lee from Iowa than Spencer Lee in the Olympics. ESPN is broadcasting that, Olympic wrestling is on at 3 am on NBC RandomSports Network.
Penn State simply gets it done when it matters most. Iowa has a bunch of mental midgets, outside of Spencer (who's more of an ACL midget). Tho if I had a wrestler with a strong back, I might send him to OK State to get on that 665 deadlift program.
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Posted: Mar 24 2021 at 10:53pm |
Berwyn wrote:
OC if you want to become a world or Olympic champion odds are your chances are better at Iowa with Tom Brands and or of course John Smith at Okie State. Cael Sanderson's great at collegiate not at winning world championships. The top dogs if that's their ultimate goal to get to the top of the world threshold and peek from that roof instead of national many top talent aspires for a global worldwide vantage point.
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I may be missing something but who under Tom/Terry Brands has won an Olympic/World Title? Gilman = 2nd & 5th, Dennis/Ramos/Metcaff = DNP's all. Were the brands coaching HWC when Zadick won gold in 06? John Smith hasn't had much success in recent times as a coach at the senior level. JO hasn't ever make the team. Fix = DNP, Colman Scott = 3rd all the way back in 2012.
Cael/Cunningham has put more guys on the World Team then the two you mentioned. Taylor = Gold, Varner = Gold, Molinaro/Zain/Ruth = DNP's.
The most successful Senior level coaches within the last decade are probably Roselli with Synder/Stieber/Delagnev multi placer/Golds etc and then Manning/Snyder at Neb. with JB and Green. Koll/Grey also had more success as a coach then the Brands
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Posted: Mar 24 2021 at 11:13pm |
CoachReils great data points. The person that has the most World Olympic championships if I were a top recruit I would lean towards that direction on where to matriculate get it matriculate LOL
That was the main bullet point I was trying to point out & convey. However you bring up some very good reasons for those other schools. I enjoyed your gathering of athletes paired with their specific coach and individual accolades.
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Posted: Jun 17 2021 at 5:49am |
Is Malvern Prep's Michael Beard transferring from PSU because Max Dean transferred in?
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Posted: Jun 19 2021 at 7:02am |
DONGER any intel on Michael Beards whereabouts next year?
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Posted: Jun 19 2021 at 8:02pm |
Yes, but not my story to tell! But did I mention MP will be real good again, next season?
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Posted: Jun 28 2021 at 7:11am |
Overall the problem Penn State is overinflated egos Cael creates national champions national champions not world.
8 time Valentine's Foxcatcher the main line with Malvern prep shows you again how that area can focus on a goal achieve it & go to the top at any level.
Cael & DT won their Olympic and world titles respectively under skeptical clouds whereas Foxcatcher with multiple world championships. Foxcatcher Hall of Fame Penn State minor leagues end of story.
Cael needs to recruit a Russian because his technical skills in freestyle are not going to help NLWC anywhere anytime soon.
The wrestling world listens to people like Willie Saylor graduating from Easton to call himself the brain the real brains are down on the mainline the best athletes in the state not even a close call.
The two books written by John Dupont "Off The Mat" & "Never Give Up" should be at the top of Cael Sanderson's reading list this summer.
A really clear way of looking at it would be comparing the careers of Kevin Jackson from Iowa State vs Cael Sanderson from Iowa State.
Foxcatcher's Kevin Jackson placed runner-up at the NCAA's however he won two world championships an Olympic championship which outweighs Cael Sanderson's 4 national championships and 1 Olympic championship which he may have paid off for Cuban for so it's not even close. It's very conspicuous Foxcatcher's Kevin Jackson had a better career than Cael Sanderson. KJ also had Dave Schultz as a wrestling coach too obviously.
National championships NCAA championships are far cry from a world or Olympic freestyle championships.
Primarily Muslim countries are wrestling freestyle they're not wrestling NCAA.
Let's get the facts straight change the styles female male freestyle one style more fans equals more success summer 21 a new beginning.
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Posted: Jun 28 2021 at 6:51pm |
You can not blame Cael, for the world team shortcomings! Same can be said for the D1 kids at PIAA
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