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    Posted: Apr 12 2012 at 1:40pm

  By Don Seeley
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   Anyone with any insight into high school wrestling, Pennsylvania wrestling, that is, will agree the month-long postseason is both a physical and mental grind.
   Earlier this week, the District 1 Steering Committee formally approved a number of changes that will essentially lessen that grind ... and, hopefully, inject some much needed enthusiasm into the four-week format for the Class AAA wrestlers and their coaches as well as the sport’s devoted fan following.
   Dennis Kellon, chairman of the steering committee, announced league championships will replace the six sectionals, and both the district and regional tournaments will feature more streamlined schedules and brackets beginning next season.
   "I think everyone is pleased at this point," Kellon said. "All the coaches were very receptive (to the changes)."
   The committee, which includes two coaches from each of the seven leagues in District 1, was indeed very supportive of all the proposals. According to a number of sources at the meeting, there was just one dissenting vote on all of the changes, which were initially brought to the steering committee and discussed in detail back in mid-January to address concerns about declining attendances and rising costs at the six sectionals in recent years.
   Although official dates for the 2012-2013 season have yet to be determined, league championships for the Central, Ches-Mont, Del Val, Pioneer Athletic Conference, and Suburban One American, Continental and National alignments will be held the same week as sectionals – or the week leading into districts.
   "We’re looking forward to having the PAC-10 individual tournament being the qualifier for districts," said Spring-Ford head coach Tim Seislove, who along with Upper Perkiomen head coach Tom Hontz are the PAC-10’s representatives on the District 1 Steering Committee. "It should be very exciting for everyone. And being that the PAC-10 is traditionally one of the toughest leagues in the district, winning that tournament will be quite an achievement."
   "I think the league championships will be pretty exciting because it will create new match-ups that may not have happened in the regular season due to coaches moving people around in order to win a match," added Hontz. "Also, our league has some pretty strong fan bases, so it could get real exciting having all those different groups in the same gym."
   The three district tournaments, not an entirely new concept considering three were held from 2007 through 2009, have be tentatively renamed East, Central and West. Each will be a one-day tournament – not two as in previous years – and contested on three mats.
   "One of our goals was to reduce some of the wear and tear on our wrestlers," Hontz explained. "Going to a one-day district (tournament) should help us accomplish that goal."
   "Moving to one day (for districts) should take some of the grind out of the postseason and help keep the kids fresh," Seislove added.
   The top five finishers in each weight class from the PAC-10 and top six from the Central League will meet in the East; the top seven from the Ches-Mont League and top four from the Suburban One American Conference will meet in the Central; and the top four from both the Suburban One Continental and National conferences as well as the top three from the Del Val League will meet in the West.
   The realignment, of course, creates 11-man brackets, so there will be three pigtails, or preliminary bouts, with the losers being eliminated. The remainder of the tournament will be double-elimination.
   The top three finishers in each weight class from each of the three district tournaments will advance to the Southeast Regional. The nine-man bracket will include one pigtail. Unlike districts, though, the loser of that preliminary bout will drop into the consolations and have the opportunity to wrestle back.
   And, because of the statewide regional realignment approved just over a week ago by the PIAA – which included moving District 12 out of the Southeast and into the Northeast – the Southeast Regional’s top three wrestlers in each of the 14 weight classes will qualify for the state championships in Hershey.
   "Losing the one state qualifier (because of District 12’s move out of the Southeast Regional) should make those third-fourth (place) bouts real barn-burners ... much like the old days," Kellon said, noting there will no longer be any fifth-place consolation finals at regionals.
   "Losing that fourth qualifier to states is a shame," Hontz added. "But it did help us in regards to streamlining our postseason tournaments. Now with regionals being only a nine-man bracket, hopefully we can hold it at a centrally located site that will help make it more fan-friendly and generate even more interest."
 
   NOTES ... Kellon also noted the two-pound weight allowance, usually given on Jan. 15 of each season, has been tentatively approved to be moved up to Dec. 25 – a rather nice Christmas present for the competitors. The change, unanimously passed its first reading during the recent Pennsylvania Wrestling Coaches Steering Committee meeting, is expected to be approved by the PIAA before next season gets under way. ...  Sites for all of next year’s postseason tournaments were discussed but none were officially approved. According to sources, Boyertown – the site of a number of postseason tournaments – will reportedly host the PAC-10 championships next February, and Spring-Ford is among the schools looking to host the District 1-AAA East Tournament the following weekend. ... District 1’s sectionals (Suburban and Lower Bucks) began in 1957; expanded to six in 1961; grew to eight in 1971; then returned to six in 1974 and remained at that number through the recently completely 2011-12 season. ... The two-district format – North and South – began in 1974 and continued through 2006, then resumed in 2010 following the three years of the three-district format. ... District 1, or the Southeast Regional, had three state qualifiers from 1974 through 2002, then four from 2003 through last season when District 12 was part of the field.
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It is interesting to hear that there was so much consensus amoung the reps. I personally think that this is going to have an adverse affect on attendance, but only time will tell. The smaller district & regional tournaments will certainly be cheaper to run, but the attendance could drop for the districts as could revenues. Obviously there was a lot of thought put into this decision, so let's see how it plays out. An interesting fact that is that we will have the 2nd smallest regional tournament based on qualifiers, but we have the 4th most # schools in the state(this includes both AA & AAA regionals). In AAA smallest regional, 2nd most # of schools.
Region # of Teams # of RQ
NE AAA 55 12
NW AAA 33 14
SC AAA 63 16
SE AAA 62 9
SW AAA 49 19
NE AA 47 8
SE AA 64 12
NW AA 47 10
SW AA 71 12
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As for the grid factor the SC AAA(24 medals) & SW AAA(30 medals) performed pretty well at states given the size of the tournaments they run prior to states. Another interesting note is that District 12 will get a 4th qualifier to the NE AAA regional. 
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SC has a week and a half off before states, no regionals.
 
The SW has sectionals and regionals.  No district.  I believe we are the only region to go 4 weeks in a row.
 
Plus, what people have to be aware of, D-1 committee has other issues to look at, like sites.  Oxford was the only school willing to host regionals.  We don't have many schools that could fit 4 mats and a crowd in 1 gym (plus willing to host a 2 day tourn. around basketball play-offs).
 
Now any school can host a post-season tournament with 3 mats and it will still be difficult to get quality sites.
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I suppose my complaint would be that I won't get to see wrestlers from schools other than the PAC10 and Central leagues until Regionals.  I always liked seeing the teams from Dtown, Unionville, W. Chester as they generally were strong.
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I do not agree with only 3 making it to regionals. We have seen it many times, a 4th place finisher in districts places higher in Regionals. We've see 4 place finishers at regionals place high at States. I have talked to many coaches and they would like to see 4 move on to regionals. I hear that when they go to meetings the decisions are already made and what they say really does not matter. I think this is going to hurt attendance and the sport. We need to provide more opportunities for the kids to wrestle, not less. We now have the lowest number of regional qualifiers in AAA with the second highest number of schools. Once again it comes down th $$$$. Its a shame!!
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Originally posted by husky9050 husky9050 wrote:

SC has a week and a half off before states, no regionals.
 
The SW has sectionals and regionals.  No district.  I believe we are the only region to go 4 weeks in a row.
 
Plus, what people have to be aware of, D-1 committee has other issues to look at, like sites.  Oxford was the only school willing to host regionals.  We don't have many schools that could fit 4 mats and a crowd in 1 gym (plus willing to host a 2 day tourn. around basketball play-offs).
 
Now any school can host a post-season tournament with 3 mats and it will still be difficult to get quality sites.
D3 AA goes 4 weeks(Sectionals, Districts, Regionals,States) so we aren't the only ones. I am well aware of the financial issues surrounding the postseason tournaments and the limited sites. In the end it is all about making the sport fiscally responsible for District 1. Sectionals were losing for years, so shifting the burden to the league tournaments takes care of that. I also read that if we kept District 12 & the 4th qualifier the PIAA would have ran regionals and taken the money not D1 like it has been allowed to do dince D12 came in(Read the March 26th post on www.rodfrisco.com). In the end the sport should be about the wrestlers, but it seems that finacially & logisticly it has become a very difficult act to balance.
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Agreed. Given the substanial size of our district, limiting the regional qualifiers to 3 is too restrictive.  Poor decision by the steering committee.
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"NOTES ... Kellon also noted the two-pound weight allowance, usually given on Jan. 15 of each season, has been tentatively approved to be moved up to Dec. 25th, a rather nice Christmas present for the competitors. The change, unanimously passed its first reading during the recent Pennsylvania Wrestling Coaches Steering Committee meeting, is expected to be approved by the PIAA before next season gets under way"
 
Could someone please explain to me a logical rationale for moving the 2 lb allowance to December 25th?  Something besides kids wanting to pig out over the holidays.  Assuming most team's seasons start at around December 10, what is the sense in having for example, the 106 lb class at 106 pounds for only 2 out of 10 weeks in the dual meet season.  At least with the allowance at January 15 half the dual meets are at 106, or 113, etc.  Is this coming from the NFHS? They may as well just call it the 108 lb class, start the season at 108 and be done with it.  In esence what is does is raise the weight class from 103 to 106 to 108 in the span of 2 years!  If they do this, they should make anyone who wants to wrestle 108 certify at 106.  This sounds like a back-door way at skewing the statistics to get higher average weigh-in weights during the year so that they can once again say kids are getting heavier, to justify another weight class change.
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You're expecting logic from the group that subtracted a middleweight and added a heavy weight class?
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Originally posted by jpbuck74 jpbuck74 wrote:

You're expecting logic from the group that subtracted a middleweight and added a heavy weight class?
The group that was responsible for the weight class changes was the NFHS, not the PIAA. The PIAA coaches did not want the weight class changes. The 2lb allowance is controlled by the PIAA though.
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The PA coaches may not have wanted it, but the PIAA did approve the change, correct?
 
How do the PA coaches feel about moving the 2 lb allowance to December 25th, and if they think it is a good idea, why? 
 
Is this idea originating with the PA coaches?
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Originally posted by PAD1Dad PAD1Dad wrote:

The PA coaches may not have wanted it, but the PIAA did approve the change, correct?
 
How do the PA coaches feel about moving the 2 lb allowance to December 25th, and if they think it is a good idea, why? 
 
Is this idea originating with the PA coaches?
The weight class changes were political. The PIAA decided to stay aligned with the NFHS and not do what Michigan did. I have heard varying things about the vote last year, but I know a lot of PA coaches were not happy with the change. As for the growth allowance I have no idea where it came from. I believe some states have the allowances to start the year, but they go away as the season goes on. I can't remember what state or states do that, but when I heard it I thought it was strange. At the end of the day I wish there wasn't a 2lb growth allowance. It would make things a lot easier and cause a lot less confusion in the long run.
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Some may remember that years ago, Colleges would start out 3lbs above the weight class and then go down during the year, you would only have to make flat weight for the end of the year tournaments. But back then you also weighed in at home in the morning and then traveled to your matches. A lot of wrestlers looked more then 3 lbs lighter come tournament time.
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The weight allowance is really used as a tool to drop a weight class, not give the kid a little extra weight to gain and make it easier.  How many times is the discussion based on "well we can't really predict postseason rankings until we see whos dropping and who is certified at what weight.  People will aleays find an excuse to cut more weight and the weight allowance really just encourages it, things ould be easier without it.

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