Private schools at ETR

Dabutcher wrote: ETR should ban all private schools from competing next year, the top 8 teams are private. No fair!

Dabutcher wrote: Why award a team champion, then?

Dabutcher wrote: ETR should ban all private schools from competing next year, the top 8 teams are private. No fair!

I guess you are not in favor of allowing all schools to participate in Ironman, Powerade, and NHSCAs either. No disrespect intended but by excluding those groups, isn't it like lowering the standards for all? If those teams are excelling, their coaches and athletes must be doing something other teams are not. It is not because they are "recruiting". Those athletes did not just get that good by going to that school. Maybe they are at that school because they are that good, but they had to gain those skills somewhere AND manage to maintain and sharpen them.

I now guys just like to troll and get people fired up. Anybody that wins at ETR is really good. Nothing taking away from them what they did individually. That being said you can't compare a terrific team like FCA who pull (recruit?) kids from Bucks, Berks, Montco, Lehigh? and any other county/school district with a team that say CRS or OJR who can only pull kids from their school district. I don't think FCA, MP, NDGP and the other private schools should compete as a team (I didn't say individually) versus the public schools. Love to see FCA vs MP. Didn't see that one on their schedule. :).

DP429, the post I was addressing was saying that FCA/MP are a part of the reason those kids are so good. I am contesting that those programs are so good because of the talent they recruit.

The best kids, the ones that really want to wrestle well and move on to college, at both private and public schools are all (well almost all) putting in serious work both inside and outside the HS wrestling room. It doesn't matter what team they are on.   Would a wrestler like Waters be just as good if he went to his local HS? That answer is obvious.

Now create a whole team of kids with that mindset, something public schools have no way to do as many HS wrestlers do not want to wrestle at the next level and most participate in many different sports. So whats is the difference between the schools like FCA/MP and CRS, SF, etc, the latter get what they get and the schools like FCA/MP recruit the best talent they can get. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE!!!!! As far as coaching goes, it is pretty easy to coach kids like Link, Gaj, Botero, Bechtold, etc, it is much harder to coach the others you don't know the names of.

And if you don't think the wrestlers that put in the work and get great results do not influence how they are viewed by the private schools, then keep your head buried. There is recruiting happening, by coaches, by parents and by wrestlers. Thats how they build the teams they have.

idontknow wrote: DP429, the post I was addressing was saying that FCA/MP are a part of the reason those kids are so good. I am contesting that those programs are so good because of the talent they recruit. The best kids, the ones that really want to wrestle well and move on to college, at both private and public schools are all (well almost all) putting in serious work both inside and outside the HS wrestling room. It doesn't matter what team they are on.   Would a wrestler like Waters be just as good if he went to his local HS? That answer is obvious. Now create a whole team of kids with that mindset, something public schools have no way to do as many HS wrestlers do not want to wrestle at the next level and most participate in many different sports. So whats is the difference between the schools like FCA/MP and CRS, SF, etc, the latter get what they get and the schools like FCA/MP recruit the best talent they can get. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE!!!!! As far as coaching goes, it is pretty easy to coach kids like Link, Gaj, Botero, Bechtold, etc, it is much harder to coach the others you don't know the names of. And if you don't think the wrestlers that put in the work and get great results do not influence how they are viewed by the private schools, then keep your head buried. There is recruiting happening, by coaches, by parents and by wrestlers. Thats how they build the teams they have.

Edited by DPointer492 - Jan 16 2023 at 6:30pm

DPointer492 wrote: idontknow wrote: DP429, the post I was addressing was saying that FCA/MP are a part of the reason those kids are so good. I am contesting that those programs are so good because of the talent they recruit. The best kids, the ones that really want to wrestle well and move on to college, at both private and public schools are all (well almost all) putting in serious work both inside and outside the HS wrestling room. It doesn't matter what team they are on.   Would a wrestler like Waters be just as good if he went to his local HS? That answer is obvious. Now create a whole team of kids with that mindset, something public schools have no way to do as many HS wrestlers do not want to wrestle at the next level and most participate in many different sports. So whats is the difference between the schools like FCA/MP and CRS, SF, etc, the latter get what they get and the schools like FCA/MP recruit the best talent they can get. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE!!!!! As far as coaching goes, it is pretty easy to coach kids like Link, Gaj, Botero, Bechtold, etc, it is much harder to coach the others you don't know the names of. And if you don't think the wrestlers that put in the work and get great results do not influence how they are viewed by the private schools, then keep your head buried. There is recruiting happening, by coaches, by parents and by wrestlers. Thats how they build the teams they have. It doesn’t sound to me like anyone has been able to come up with any evidence that the PIAA schools mentioned do any recruiting by the school or coaches (that is not allowed per PIAA rules). If you have evidence/information, please share. I know BECA, Notre Dame Green Pond, and Faith Christian were all investigated last year when a certain Bishop McCort coach (whose last name rhymes with Fasset) accused them all of recruiting like he got in trouble for. I can only assume that the PIAA did not find anything wrong or those programs would have been punished too. Parents choosing to enroll their kids in private school, for any reason, does not mean there is recruiting going on.  Why is this all anyone can talk about??

DPOINTER492 is the new forum defense attorney for the BECA, FCA and Notre Dame conglomerate. 

As much as I'm not a fan of the private schools competing against public schools - just to note that not all private schools are good at sports [or wrestling in particular].  But when they make an effort to be good, the public schools just have no chance.

Just to be clear Collin is at Quakertown because we bleed blue and believe in EVERYTHING we are doing as a community to improve the sport this town loves. He could easily have been at any of the private schools but we chose to make the place we call home better. He is better for it, the team is better for it, We as a family are better for it. We love this town and what it means to be home grown. I also get it others choose to take a different approach and good for them. Do what’s best for your kids and apologize to no one.  We did what’s best for us and I wouldn’t change anything.