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    Posted: Jan 22 2023 at 8:31am
I was told by a friend of mine who went to the coalcracker tournament at lehighton that several wrestlers were not able to compete in their respective placement matches because the 5 match per day rule would be violated. According to the piaa, a wrestler can only wrestle 5 matches per day. Some of these wrestlers were in consolations all day and had 5 matches in before their medal rounds. Does anyone have any clarification of this rule? Also, do the kids get a forfeit? It seems like the tournament should have had more consolation rounds on Friday night. Any thoughts?
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It is a NHSFA rule not a PIAA rule,  I do not believe the match the cannot wrestle counts as a loss, the opponent in effect gets a bye

Originally posted by Scoop1219 Scoop1219 wrote:

I was told by a friend of mine who went to the coalcracker tournament at lehighton that several wrestlers were not able to compete in their respective placement matches because the 5 match per day rule would be violated. According to the piaa, a wrestler can only wrestle 5 matches per day. Some of these wrestlers were in consolations all day and had 5 matches in before their medal rounds. Does anyone have any clarification of this rule? Also, do the kids get a forfeit? It seems like the tournament should have had more consolation rounds on Friday night. Any thoughts?
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I'm fairly certain that the match just doesn't happen with no win/loss for either wrestler
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Thanks for the clarification. 
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Definitely no match and does not count as a forfeit or loss.  They made an adjustment to the rules a few years ago that byes and forfeits do not count to the 5 match total.  Also…I think they also changed it where exceptions to the 5 match rules can be made in the post season only.   This ensures the proper finish and tournaments can be completed in one day.
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So this situation actually happened earlier in the month at another tournament.  Three wrestlers actually wrestled 6 matches in a day and somehow it wasn't noticed until after the tournament.  The tournament director reached out for assistance on how to handle the matches and the PIAA responded that the wrestler who already had 5 matches should receive a forfeit... citing rule 1-4-3.

I believe this is the full rule (bold is important for this situation):

RULING: Wrestlers are limited to no more than five matches during a day, excluding forfeits. Matches are those for which the time limit is specified by rule and are six minutes in length for championship or five or six minutes in length for consolation. In (a), it would be possible for a school to conduct an eight-team tournament, wrestling back to four places, because this would consist of a maximum of four matches for any wrestler. In (b), if only the losers of the quarterfinal bracket go to the wrestle-back it could be completed in only five matches per day. If, however, the first-round losers enter the wrestle-back, there is a possibility that some wrestlers would be involved in six matches. This would not be allowed and would be in violation of Rule 1-4-3 which states that no wrestler shall represent the school in more than five matches in any one day. Therefore some consolation finals could not be wrestled. If one wrestler had wrestled in four matches and the other wrestler in five matches, then the wrestler with four matches would be the winner by forfeit. If it was the match for third place and both wrestlers had been in five matches, then they would both receive points for fourth place. There could be no third-place finisher.

I cleaned up that particular situation (2 of the 3 wrestlers already had lost but 1 had won his 6th match and now it's a forfeit loss).  None of the 3 wrestlers had any byes or forfeits.

I haven't touched any of the Coal Cracker results yet.  I plan on looking more into that sometime this week.
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Speaking of rules, a potentially new approach to the Catholic Schools? 





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Originally posted by Dodfan Dodfan wrote:

Speaking of rules, a potentially new approach to the Catholic Schools? 




More teams need to do this.  Use the rules to your advantage, just like the Catholic/private schools are doing using the rules in their favor.  I find it absolutely hilarious when the Catholic schools complain about this.  Obviously they don't see the irony in the situation.  Guess they only want the rules to be in their favor, smh.

If you don't like the rules, work to change the rules.  Plain and simple.

The yelling at and taunting of the wrestlers by the McDevitt fans (according to the article) is an absolute disgrace.  I'd hope Bishop McDevitt will investigate and make sure those fans are never allowed to another sporting event again, but we know that's not going to happen.
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of course the difference which you fail to consider is that you are always upset about PIAA rules and their enforcement, while what your advocating takes advantage of a rule may not by a sports regulatory body but a religion.  Apples and oranges,

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More teams need to do this.  Use the rules to your advantage, just like the Catholic/private schools are doing using the rules in their favor.  I find it absolutely hilarious when the Catholic schools complain about this.  Obviously they don't see the irony in the situation.  Guess they only want the rules to be in their favor, smh.

If you don't like the rules, work to change the rules.  Plain and simple.

The yelling at and taunting of the wrestlers by the McDevitt fans (according to the article) is an absolute disgrace.  I'd hope Bishop McDevitt will investigate and make sure those fans are never allowed to another sporting event again, but we know that's not going to happen.
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Originally posted by NCAARef NCAARef wrote:

of course the difference which you fail to consider is that you are always upset about PIAA rules and their enforcement, while what your advocating takes advantage of a rule may not by a sports regulatory body but a religion.  Apples and oranges,
 

I beg to differ, it's apples and apples in that in both cases it's a rule someone doesn't like.  Doesn't matter who's rule it is or who you need to be upset about.  In both cases an organization has made a rule that many people disagree with - and in both cases, someone is trying to take an advantage of that rule. 

Who makes up the dumb rule doesn't matter, at least to me anyway.  A dumb rule is a dumb rule.  Period.

If one group (private/non-boundary schools) is able to gain a competitive advantage over another group (public schools) - then why can't a group (public schools) use a rule to gain a competitive advantage over another group (Catholic schools)?

Even if you disagree with my reasoning, I hope you can agree that the actions of the Catholic school's fans was terrible and should never be permitted again.
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