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    Posted: Feb 13 2019 at 8:59am
So, what exactly does the seeding meeting look for? Where is the consistency? There are a couple things that just jump right out and look insane...
 
106 - Marchesano seeded #1 over Logue (#3) who dominated him 8-2, AND then Kelly seeded #2 over Logue when Logue pinned him in the first period. I guess record means more than head to head matchups, huh? It is complete nonsense to be seeded higher than someone you lost your only head to head match to...and it gets even more crazy when you are seeded lower than someone you pinned inside the first period. I really just need to hear the argument for this 1-2-3 seeding...it literally just doesn't make sense.
 
113- Edwards tech-falls O'toole, but is seeded lower. Record over head to head again? I just don't get it...
 
138- O'toole not seeded high than Johnson? Here things just seem to take a turn and go the opposite way. Why at 106/113 does record seem to trump head to head match ups, but here there are no real common opponents to look at...and the better record is seeded lower?
 
What exactly is going on at the seeding meetings?
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It's a seeding formula. Win percentage then prestige from caliber of wins this year and placement from the previous year. I think head to head is considered in a tie in points. Yeah, it's dumb, but that's what they're doing. 
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Thanks for the answer. Good to know. Complete nonsense, but at least there is some kind of reasoning I guess LOL
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This is why some teams go with the softer schedules. Gives their kids better seeds. Not to worry though, the teams that go with the harder schedules, give their kids better chance at actually winning the tournament. Logue maybe seeded third, but he'll finish first.
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(wins/total) x 100 - (8 x # of matches wrestled under 12) + prestige points from last year's post season finish.

An 11-1 record will get a better seed than 20-10.

Head to head only matters in the event of a tie.
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The formula would make sense if you just have head to head matchups trump everything else. The whole point of seeding is accurately placing kids based on where they are predicted to finish...so it seems like common sense that kid A, who beat kid B head to head should be favored to win again, regardless of any math equation.
 
Sometimes things get so complicated, they become pure nonsense.
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Originally posted by D12Follower D12Follower wrote:

The formula would make sense if you just have head to head matchups trump everything else. The whole point of seeding is accurately placing kids based on where they are predicted to finish...so it seems like common sense that kid A, who beat kid B head to head should be favored to win again, regardless of any math equation.
 
Sometimes things get so complicated, they become pure nonsense.

Head to head falls apart when you have the A beats B, B beats C, C beats A situation. The formula prioritizes win percentage above all else but penalizes wrestlers who compete in less than 12 matches. 

It isn't perfect but it all works itself out. Seeding doesn't really matter in these small sectional tournaments anyway. The 3 best wrestlers will place 1st-3rd. Districts will be seeded by section placewinners. The difference between taking 3rd vs 1st at sections is pretty insignificant come districts, regions, states...
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