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Originally posted by Dodfan155 Dodfan155 wrote:

Originally posted by MTLeister MTLeister wrote:

We now have back to 1991...25 years of state tournament brackets and results.


How far are you trying to go back?


Back to the first tournament, ideally.
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Originally posted by oldcougar oldcougar wrote:

coincidentally, looking at Marstellar's  166-0 record, there were some who thought he'd never lose.  But just Saturday, he lost to Jason Nolf from Kittanning and Penn State out at Las Vegas.


in freestyle. it's a different sport Wink
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Originally posted by 3_Nearfall 3_Nearfall wrote:

Originally posted by oldcougar oldcougar wrote:

coincidentally, looking at Marstellar's  166-0 record, there were some who thought he'd never lose.  But just Saturday, he lost to Jason Nolf from Kittanning and Penn State out at Las Vegas.


in freestyle. it's a different sport Wink

He's lost a few times in folkstyle last year also. 

Was surprised that Nolf handled him in freestyle, since Marstellar is very experienced in the style and this was Nolf's first high level tournament in free.  

But Nolf took it to him after getting down 3-0 early, Marstellar had no answer to Nolf's low single.

One thing you see in Marstellar's losses over the past year is that if guys withstand the early barrage, he generally loses the back half of the matches.  Once he gets down in the match, he's not coming back.  Maybe going 166-0 isn't all that good of a thing some times.

PSU looks like they got the best prospect in PA last year in Nolf.
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Originally posted by dicemen99 dicemen99 wrote:

Originally posted by 3_Nearfall 3_Nearfall wrote:

Originally posted by oldcougar oldcougar wrote:

coincidentally, looking at Marstellar's  166-0 record, there were some who thought he'd never lose.  But just Saturday, he lost to Jason Nolf from Kittanning and Penn State out at Las Vegas.


in freestyle. it's a different sport Wink

He's lost a few times in folkstyle last year also. 

Was surprised that Nolf handled him in freestyle, since Marstellar is very experienced in the style and this was Nolf's first high level tournament in free.  

But Nolf took it to him after getting down 3-0 early, Marstellar had no answer to Nolf's low single.

One thing you see in Marstellar's losses over the past year is that if guys withstand the early barrage, he generally loses the back half of the matches.  Once he gets down in the match, he's not coming back.  Maybe going 166-0 isn't all that good of a thing some times.

PSU looks like they got the best prospect in PA last year in Nolf.

Marstellar looked extremely out of shape pretty much after the first 30 seconds. Which will hurt you, especially against someone with Nolf's gas tank. 
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OC  2 years ago Nolf was a 145 who didn't cut weight and Marsteller was a 170 who didn't cut weight. Now Nolf handles beats him handily.

166-0 is impressive as is 4X champ, but 166-0 when your team doesn't really seek out any competition needs a grain of salt.  Other than Weircoch in the Ironman finals did Marsteller wrestle any really strong competition?  I don't know I didn't follow him that closely.

Golf starts at 157 for PSU this year and is an AA.
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Originally posted by NCAARef NCAARef wrote:

OC  2 years ago Nolf was a 145 who didn't cut weight and Marsteller was a 170 who didn't cut weight. Now Nolf handles beats him handily.

166-0 is impressive as is 4X champ, but 166-0 when your team doesn't really seek out any competition needs a grain of salt.  Other than Weircoch in the Ironman finals did Marsteller wrestle any really strong competition?  I don't know I didn't follow him that closely.

Golf starts at 157 for PSU this year and is an AA.


Your kidding right? Lets go through a list of who Marsteller beat in high school.

Weircoch, 3x state champ

Garrett Peppelman, state champ (two times)

Brian Brill, state champ

Zack Zavatsky, state champ (three times)

Casey Kent, should have been a state finalist at least (two times)

Mark Havers, 2x state finalist

Brett Harner, state finalist

Rustin Barrick, state finalist (two times)

Lorenzo Thomas, state finalist (two times)

Joe Gartland, state finalist

Kyle Conniker, state finalist



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1990 has been added for both AA and AAA.
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DoD - I'm not kidding he beat 2, count em 2, elite opponents in high school.  Marsteller almost lost Wiercoch at Powerade due to conditioning.  I think he was a better wrestler though.  Peppleman has a great hs record but I'm not sure he was an elite wrestler.  In evaluating the others you mention I can't put any in the "elite" category.  BTW Zavatsky was a 3X placer 1X finalist, Barrick was a 3X qualifier, 1X finalist, Thomas was a 3X qualifier, 2X placer, and 1X finalist. Please don't make your case by citing "he should have been a 2X finalist", he was a good wrestler but he wasn't a 2X finalist.  Other than Thomas who was an AA two years ago I'm not certain that the people on your list have excelled at the next level.

My point is that Marsteller was an "elite" hs wrestler, one of the top 3 ever in PA, but you can't say that his coach went out of his way to find competition outside of PA like many of the other top wrestlers in the state did/do.
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I was referring to the number of times Marsteller beat them. All of which I mentioned were great high school wrestlers. His coach took them to PowerAde four times. That is a top 5 H.S. tournament in the nation. He beat whoever was put in front of him.

And Casey Kent should have been a state finalist. He was flat out robbed! That was the second or third worst/one sided officiated matches I ever saw.

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Today @ Junior World Trials high school senior Logan Massa beat Jason Nolf then Massa loses to Chance. Marsteller goes onto the finals to lose twice by tech & fall to Mark Hall who doesn't graduate high school until next year.

PA did have two champions out of eight weight classes Spencer Lee 55kg & Brock Zacherl 60kg. Also along with Chance 74kg Zain Retherford 66kg & Jake Gunning 120kg both lost in the finals.

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DoD - I agree on the call in the Kent match, but he wasn't a state finalist just like Harner wasn't a state champion in an even bigger disgrace.

Did you see Hall tech fall Marsteller twice, the first time in 30 seconds, and he's got another year of high school.  Admittedly, he is the exception.


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Lee dropped to 50 kg after losing to Fix
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Quick update...

AA results now back to 1989
AAA results now back to 1983


More coming in the coming days and weeks.  I have been posting to Twitter (https://twitter.com/PA_wrestling) when new brackets are published, but I'll try to remember to post here as well.
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Mike, the link to the AAA brackets PDF for 1983 & 1984 is returning a "File not Found" error.
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Originally posted by cbal24 cbal24 wrote:

Mike, the link to the AAA brackets PDF for 1983 & 1984 is returning a "File not Found" error.

Ah, thanks for catching that.  Actually, all the newer ones were missing.  They should show up now.

Time to fire to guy who wrote this software...
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Man looking back at those district one guys at states in the 80s makes me want to see the results from the southeast regionals over the years  but that's probably a bit greedy! Wonder how many of those guys who lost first round and got eliminated (chris kwortnik) would have come back to place.
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Originally posted by 87 grad 87 grad wrote:

Man looking back at those district one guys at states in the 80s makes me want to see the results from the southeast regionals over the years  but that's probably a bit greedy! Wonder how many of those guys who lost first round and got eliminated (chris kwortnik) would have come back to place.

The majority of the D1 post-season brackets back to 1974 will be on the site sometime in November...  We're working on them now.
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Originally posted by MTLeister MTLeister wrote:

Originally posted by cbal24 cbal24 wrote:

Mike, the link to the AAA brackets PDF for 1983 & 1984 is returning a "File not Found" error.

Ah, thanks for catching that.  Actually, all the newer ones were missing.  They should show up now.

Time to fire to guy who wrote this software...
 
Only reason I caught it was I wanted to see my cousin's brackets from the 2 years he placed.
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1982 AAA is now up.  Working on some AA tonight, which should be posted later.
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The old brackets are very interesting and make for a great summer read. Thanks for putting in the work Mike.
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