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Originally posted by sse01 sse01 wrote:

Rod Martin who won in 85 also won in 86 & 87 - but went by Rod Martin-Wright in 1986 & Rodney Wright in 1987.

There must be some kind of a story behind that!
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Started using step fathers name jr yr. Currently coaching boiling spring bubblers.
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Originally posted by Berwyn Berwyn wrote:

Started using step fathers name jr yr. Currently coaching boiling spring bubblers.

Boiling Springs is a local team out where I live and they are loaded.  Tough up and down the lineup with several real stars.

The guy is obviously more than a great wrestler.  He can flat out coach.
Boiling Springs won the AA state dual title, then came in 2nd in the individual standings.

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State brackets and results have now been posted back to 1976....so that's the last 40 years of the state tournament.

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Lots more added tonight... All the way back to 1951.  That's the last 65 years of the tournament, now FINALLY online for all to see.

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Wow! I just spent two plus hours in there.
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Originally posted by Dodfan155 Dodfan155 wrote:

Wow! I just spent two plus hours in there.

Awesome!  If you (or anyone else for that matter) have any ideas for ways to view the stats, let me know.

Probably need to add a search to easily find a particular wrestler.  Also going to work on sorting the team list page by any of the different stat columns.  Little things like that will help people locate info quickly.

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Mike, a search by school may be beneficial, too.
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Just looked at the 1960 results - Mike Johnson vs. Dick Hamilton in the 112 lb final.

According to this, Johnson won 5-1.  Here is a list of all of Mike Johnson's wins along with the score of each bout and it says that that 112 final was 4-1.


I talked to my brother about it and he saw the bout and he said that he remembered that Johnson won 5-1.  

I guess it's a quandry.

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Originally posted by oldcougar oldcougar wrote:

Just looked at the 1960 results - Mike Johnson vs. Dick Hamilton in the 112 lb final.

According to this, Johnson won 5-1.  Here is a list of all of Mike Johnson's wins along with the score of each bout and it says that that 112 final was 4-1.


I talked to my brother about it and he saw the bout and he said that he remembered that Johnson won 5-1.  

I guess it's a quandry.


It's 5-1 in the newspapers that I found, but that doesn't make it correct.  I'll see if I can find some articles that also mention the score.  There were a lot of typos in newspapers back then that it's hard to officially confirm some things like scores, grades, records, and even spellings.
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Mike:

I'd lean toward believing you (especially since my brother, who was there, backs you up) over some imitation PA wrestling website.  Now we have to question the results on all the other 83 matches listed on the site.  Maybe he really wasn't undefeated?


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Originally posted by oldcougar oldcougar wrote:

Mike:

I'd lean toward believing you (especially since my brother, who was there, backs you up) over some imitation PA wrestling website.  Now we have to question the results on all the other 83 matches listed on the site.  Maybe he really wasn't undefeated?



HAHA, good one.  He was undefeated based on the articles after he won states each year, and his records appear to be consistent.  However, there are many other wrestlers where I saw conflicting records...sometimes in the same article.  A few times I saw a wrestler with one record listed in the pairings,  another listed in an article, and yet another record later in the same article.  So for some guys, who knows what their records were.  Guess that's why some years didn't list records at all.
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Originally posted by cbal24 cbal24 wrote:

Mike, a search by school may be beneficial, too.

Yeah definitely.  Also working on a single page for each school where you can view a bunch of important stats.  Hope to clean up some of these things by November, when we will publish all the D1 stuff back to 1974 as well.
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Sample team pages that I'm working on...  These aren't quite finished yet.


This shows a team with a ton of history in the state tournament.
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We now have back to 1945 posted...  The rest should be online by the end of the week if all goes well.
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Is 1977 105 lbs incorrect?  Didn't Bobby Weaver win his 3rd that year?
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Originally posted by PAD1Dad PAD1Dad wrote:

Is 1977 105 lbs incorrect?  Didn't Bobby Weaver win his 3rd that year?

Yes, it was wrong...he did win.  I just fixed it.  Thanks for catching that!


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Well, it's all done.  Much quicker than I expected too.  Couldn't have done it without Joe and Gary helping.

All the state brackets and results are now online:

That's going back to 1938... 78 years worth of data.  Enjoy!
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This stuff is great.  You look back at the old days and you see patterns develop.  You see names that have reappeared years later from the same school.  

For example, in 1939, Harold Welker won for Shamokin.  In 1963, Bill Welker won for Shamokin.  btw, Bill Welker became a very influential coach and wrestling instructor, I think in West Virginia.  

In 1939, Frank McCorkel represented Hershey.  In 1973, Don McCorkel won for Hershey.  Don McCorkel was a beast.  I saw him wrestle a lot back then cause I lived out in District 3 in the early 70's.  He ran roughshod at states, a major and two pins, and he was built like a monster.  He just bulled people into submission.

It's cool that in 1939, District 1 did very well - only 1 champ, but 7 finalists.

In 1973, Bill Vollrath placed 3rd for Hatboro Horsham.  In '65 Lou Vollrath was 2nd in D1 for Hatboro.  And then during the current generation Jimmy Vollrath did very well for CRS and Penn State.

It's great to have this information at our fingertips for those of us who like to think about the history of wrestling in PA.  

Here's a weird factoid.  In '73, Ray Frantz of Cranberry won the semi-finals 4-4 in regulation, then 9-0 in OT.  Then he won the finals 4-4 in regulation, 13-1 in OT.   There's a guy who had something going on in OT.  

Hey, maybe Mike and his guys want to put up the brackets for District 1 over the years.  


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Originally posted by oldcougar oldcougar wrote:

Hey, maybe Mike and his guys want to put up the brackets for District 1 over the years. 

Working on it...at least back to 1974 to start.  It's almost done...with what Jack Holt has accumulated.  I was going to wait until November to publish but might do it sooner, once it's ready.
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