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    Posted: Feb 03 2017 at 4:31pm
Originally posted by NCAARef NCAARef wrote:

Originally posted by MTLeister MTLeister wrote:

Part way through entering the data, I posted some stats on number of wrestlers who competed at states, medalists, and champions.  Here are the final numbers now that everything is in...

Total wrestlers to compete at states: 13,175

Total wrestlers with medals:
Any medal count: 5,438 (41.275%)
1 medal: 3,506 (26.611%)
2 medals: 1,386 (10.520%)
3 medals: 405 (3.074%)
4 medals: 141 (1.070%)

Total wrestlers with championships:
Any champ count: 1,197 (9.085%)
1 championship: 955 (7.249%)
2 championships: 187 (1.419%)
3 championships: 43 (0.326%)
4 championships: 12 (0.091%)


There might be a few more corrections but it shouldn't change the numbers all that much.

Mike looking at these numbers I was taken aback by the % of competitors who won a medal.  Then I realized for so many years only 4 guys qualified and the semifinal losers were given 3rd place.


Ref:  I don't think you're quite accurate on that one.  You are right that only 4 guys qualified for many years.  However, for as long as I can remember, there were no 3rd place awards.  I'm an eye witness.


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Yeah that's true.  I should run the numbers from 1974 to present and see how it ends up.  Probably be way different.
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Originally posted by MTLeister MTLeister wrote:

Part way through entering the data, I posted some stats on number of wrestlers who competed at states, medalists, and champions.  Here are the final numbers now that everything is in...

Total wrestlers to compete at states: 13,175

Total wrestlers with medals:
Any medal count: 5,438 (41.275%)
1 medal: 3,506 (26.611%)
2 medals: 1,386 (10.520%)
3 medals: 405 (3.074%)
4 medals: 141 (1.070%)

Total wrestlers with championships:
Any champ count: 1,197 (9.085%)
1 championship: 955 (7.249%)
2 championships: 187 (1.419%)
3 championships: 43 (0.326%)
4 championships: 12 (0.091%)


There might be a few more corrections but it shouldn't change the numbers all that much.

Mike looking at these numbers I was taken aback by the % of competitors who won a medal.  Then I realized for so many years only 4 guys qualified and the semifinal losers were given 3rd place.

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Part way through entering the data, I posted some stats on number of wrestlers who competed at states, medalists, and champions.  Here are the final numbers now that everything is in...

Total wrestlers to compete at states: 13,175

Total wrestlers with medals:
Any medal count: 5,438 (41.275%)
1 medal: 3,506 (26.611%)
2 medals: 1,386 (10.520%)
3 medals: 405 (3.074%)
4 medals: 141 (1.070%)

Total wrestlers with championships:
Any champ count: 1,197 (9.085%)
1 championship: 955 (7.249%)
2 championships: 187 (1.419%)
3 championships: 43 (0.326%)
4 championships: 12 (0.091%)


There might be a few more corrections but it shouldn't change the numbers all that much.
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Someone emailed me tonight with a correction, and it involved a unique stat.

There are 2 guys in PIAA history to make it to the finals all 4 years but fail to win the title.

Sam Coursen from Forty Fort, class of 1949
Bob Simpson from Warrior Run, class of 1988

Assuming no other major typos/mistakes with the data, there are 29 wrestlers who were 4x finalists.  
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Impressive OC!

The missing team is Quakertown from 2005...with two 2nds.
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Teams with 3 finalists-
1939  Cheltenham - 1-1st  2-2nd
1941  Lower Merion - 3-2nd
2005  Council Rock South - 2-1st  1-2nd


Teams with 2 finalists-
1977  Council Rock 2-1st
1987  North Penn 2-1st
1999  Council Rock 2-2nd
2004  Pennridge 2-2nd
2006  Upper Perk 2-1st
2006  Boyertown 2-2nd
2013  Norristown 2-2nd

Missing one.  I'll try to figure it out.

Council Rock has been carrying District One's water since 1977.  They've won 2 state titles (1977, 2005) and have had numerous state finalists over the years  



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Originally posted by Berwyn Berwyn wrote:

Lower Merion had 3 state finalists in 1941. That team has to be up there for greatest of all time teams. Maybe only D1 team ever to have 3 state finalists.

Of course I had to look this up, LOL...

Three D1 teams have had 3 finalists in the same year.  Lower Merion in 1941 is one of those teams.  Anyone want to guess on the other 2 teams??

Eight D1 teams have had 2 finalists in the same year (excluding the 3 that had 3 in the same year).  Anyone want to guess those?

Maybe I'll eventually make this kind of stat a report to view.


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Lower Merion had 3 state finalists in 1941. That team has to be up there for greatest of all time teams. Maybe only D1 team ever to have 3 state finalists.
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Awesome job, going thru those old brackets really brings back some great memories!
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Excellent work by all involved......Well done fellas, well done.
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In 1939, Frank McCorkel represented Hershey.  In 1973, Don McCorkel won for Hershey.  Don McCorkel was a beast.  I saw him wrestle a lot back then cause I lived out in District 3 in the early 70's.  He ran roughshod at states, a major and two pins, and he was built like a monster.  He just bulled people into submission.
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Wade McCorkel also took 8th at states for Hershey in 2006


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Originally posted by oldcougar oldcougar wrote:

Hey, maybe Mike and his guys want to put up the brackets for District 1 over the years. 

Working on it...at least back to 1974 to start.  It's almost done...with what Jack Holt has accumulated.  I was going to wait until November to publish but might do it sooner, once it's ready.
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This stuff is great.  You look back at the old days and you see patterns develop.  You see names that have reappeared years later from the same school.  

For example, in 1939, Harold Welker won for Shamokin.  In 1963, Bill Welker won for Shamokin.  btw, Bill Welker became a very influential coach and wrestling instructor, I think in West Virginia.  

In 1939, Frank McCorkel represented Hershey.  In 1973, Don McCorkel won for Hershey.  Don McCorkel was a beast.  I saw him wrestle a lot back then cause I lived out in District 3 in the early 70's.  He ran roughshod at states, a major and two pins, and he was built like a monster.  He just bulled people into submission.

It's cool that in 1939, District 1 did very well - only 1 champ, but 7 finalists.

In 1973, Bill Vollrath placed 3rd for Hatboro Horsham.  In '65 Lou Vollrath was 2nd in D1 for Hatboro.  And then during the current generation Jimmy Vollrath did very well for CRS and Penn State.

It's great to have this information at our fingertips for those of us who like to think about the history of wrestling in PA.  

Here's a weird factoid.  In '73, Ray Frantz of Cranberry won the semi-finals 4-4 in regulation, then 9-0 in OT.  Then he won the finals 4-4 in regulation, 13-1 in OT.   There's a guy who had something going on in OT.  

Hey, maybe Mike and his guys want to put up the brackets for District 1 over the years.  


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Well, it's all done.  Much quicker than I expected too.  Couldn't have done it without Joe and Gary helping.

All the state brackets and results are now online:

That's going back to 1938... 78 years worth of data.  Enjoy!
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Originally posted by PAD1Dad PAD1Dad wrote:

Is 1977 105 lbs incorrect?  Didn't Bobby Weaver win his 3rd that year?

Yes, it was wrong...he did win.  I just fixed it.  Thanks for catching that!


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Is 1977 105 lbs incorrect?  Didn't Bobby Weaver win his 3rd that year?
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We now have back to 1945 posted...  The rest should be online by the end of the week if all goes well.
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Sample team pages that I'm working on...  These aren't quite finished yet.


This shows a team with a ton of history in the state tournament.
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Originally posted by cbal24 cbal24 wrote:

Mike, a search by school may be beneficial, too.

Yeah definitely.  Also working on a single page for each school where you can view a bunch of important stats.  Hope to clean up some of these things by November, when we will publish all the D1 stuff back to 1974 as well.
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