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Posted: Jan 25 2023 at 11:45am |
With the start of district duals only one sleep away, all we should ask is that each team show up, put forth their best lineup, and allow the wrestlers to compete and experience these high octane and always exhilarating matches. That may mean we do not get to see the best individual matchups as lineups must be jockeyed to get the team win and we all understand that. Just hoping we will not have to relive the disgrace and disappointment of last years semi-final where a team inserted a lineup composed of backups rather than wrestling their starters, essentially forfeiting the match. The only other time I witnessed a team forfeit in district duals is when a team came down with skin issues and decided it was best for everyone to remove themselves. Last year, clearly that was not the case and was a shameful act. On the bright side though, based on seeding and who we all predict to be in this years Semi-finals, I do not see any of those coaching staffs or administrations pulling that same move. Good luck to all involved and have some fun.
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Posted: Jan 25 2023 at 2:11pm |
wrsl141 wrote:
With the start of district duals only one sleep away, all we should ask is that each team show up, put forth their best lineup, and allow the wrestlers to compete and experience these high octane and always exhilarating matches. That may mean we do not get to see the best individual matchups as lineups must be jockeyed to get the team win and we all understand that. Just hoping we will not have to relive the disgrace and disappointment of last years semi-final where a team inserted a lineup composed of backups rather than wrestling their starters, essentially forfeiting the match. The only other time I witnessed a team forfeit in district duals is when a team came down with skin issues and decided it was best for everyone to remove themselves. Last year, clearly that was not the case and was a shameful act. On the bright side though, based on seeding and who we all predict to be in this years Semi-finals, I do not see any of those coaching staffs or administrations pulling that same move. Good luck to all involved and have some fun. |
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Posted: Jan 25 2023 at 3:34pm |
wrsl141 wrote:
With the start of district duals only one sleep away, all we should ask is that each team show up, put forth their best lineup, and allow the wrestlers to compete and experience these high octane and always exhilarating matches. That may mean we do not get to see the best individual matchups as lineups must be jockeyed to get the team win and we all understand that. Just hoping we will not have to relive the disgrace and disappointment of last years semi-final where a team inserted a lineup composed of backups rather than wrestling their starters, essentially forfeiting the match. The only other time I witnessed a team forfeit in district duals is when a team came down with skin issues and decided it was best for everyone to remove themselves. Last year, clearly that was not the case and was a shameful act. On the bright side though, based on seeding and who we all predict to be in this years Semi-finals, I do not see any of those coaching staffs or administrations pulling that same move. Good luck to all involved and have some fun. |
Didn't you just contradict yourself here? You say you understand making moves to win a match, yet you don't understand that team making moves it felt it needed to make to win a spot in State Duals? I mean, it worked out for them as they advanced. Guess you must be from a rival school or something.
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Posted: Jan 25 2023 at 8:04pm |
I do not recall that particular match, but it’s pretty sad that I had a pretty good idea which team you were talking about. Went back and checked the brackets and it turns out my hunch was correct. Looks like it paid off for them as they were able to keep it close against spring ford in the 3rd and 4th place match.
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With the start of district duals only one sleep away, all we should ask is that each team show up, put forth their best lineup, and allow the wrestlers to compete and experience these high octane and always exhilarating matches. That may mean we do not get to see the best individual matchups as lineups must be jockeyed to get the team win and we all understand that. Just hoping we will not have to relive the disgrace and disappointment of last years semi-final where a team inserted a lineup composed of backups rather than wrestling their starters, essentially forfeiting the match. The only other time I witnessed a team forfeit in district duals is when a team came down with skin issues and decided it was best for everyone to remove themselves. Last year, clearly that was not the case and was a shameful act. On the bright side though, based on seeding and who we all predict to be in this years Semi-finals, I do not see any of those coaching staffs or administrations pulling that same move. Good luck to all involved and have some fun. |
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Posted: Jan 25 2023 at 9:20pm |
The first year of state duals, Northampton's coach was ticked off about the timing of when state duals were held. Northampton won District 11 duals, then sent their JV team to the first round of state duals, where they got knocked off by Gettysburg. Which is why Upper Perk made the finals. (where they were annihilated by Bald Eagle Area something like 45 - 0.)
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Posted: Jan 25 2023 at 10:32pm |
What a lot of people forget is that UP had to beat other district champs for the right to get "annihilated" by Bald Eagle. Sure, they weren't the second best team in the state but they earned the trip to the finals. Crazy to think that now our best district 1 AA team can annihilate our best AAA team by more than that state final score.
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Posted: Jan 26 2023 at 8:07am |
A former UP coach, now FCA coach has entered the discussion 
2takedowngreen wrote:
What a lot of people forget is that UP had to beat other district champs for the right to get "annihilated" by Bald Eagle. Sure, they weren't the second best team in the state but they earned the trip to the finals. Crazy to think that now our best district 1 AA team can annihilate our best AAA team by more than that state final score. |
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Posted: Jan 26 2023 at 9:19am |
JonnyBoy wrote:
A former UP coach, now FCA coach has entered the discussion 
2takedowngreen wrote:
What a lot of people forget is that UP had to beat other district champs for the right to get "annihilated" by Bald Eagle. Sure, they weren't the second best team in the state but they earned the trip to the finals. Crazy to think that now our best district 1 AA team can annihilate our best AAA team by more than that state final score. |
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Posted: Jan 26 2023 at 9:52am |
Agreed, I obviously think SF should take it but if Conestoga strings together many pin in upper weights could make it close. They would have to come out on better end of all the toss ups as well; while keeping it close and avoiding the pins in unfavorable .
Really interested in the PV Kennett Match. Agree with assessment that Kennett bad match up for PV; toss up for me but I'm going to go with Kennett too. That being said; if PV does get by Kennett and Kakos is back, could see them making a serious run.
Either way lots of good action to come!
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Posted: Jan 26 2023 at 11:48am |
I didn't intend to denigrate that Upper Perk team. I was there that night. UP was all freshmen and sophomores. Their best kids went against BEA's best kids but they were seniors. BEA was ranked #1 in the country that year. But I think Northampton would have given them a battle. The AA final that night was awesome - Brookville beat Wyalusing and every kid on both teams was a stud. Final was 23-21 - one of the greatest duals I ever saw. btw - the Upper Perk - BEA score was 53-0. I heard that Brookville knocked off BEA in a dual. Upper Perk was a nice team -- not nearly as good as their team six years later, but still good enough to beat the teams from the lesser districts.
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Posted: Jan 26 2023 at 2:25pm |
I thought the District 1 bracket was filled with potential upsets in it when I first saw it. I think IF Quakertown gets by Pennsbury tonight (they may lose) then they get to the finals as a #6 seed. I also got to see Conestoga last night. They may have a chance against Spring Ford. I think Spring Ford probably gets them but I think the final score will be close.
Also, the AAA District 7 bracket was just released. You will have three phenomenal quarter finals.
The District 3 bracket should come out soon. With the absurd way they seed, there should be some great quarter finals there too.
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Posted: Jan 26 2023 at 3:01pm |
Dodfan wrote:
I thought the District 1 bracket was filled with potential upsets in it when I first saw it. I think IF Quakertown gets by Pennsbury tonight (they may lose) then they get to the finals as a #6 seed. I also got to see Conestoga last night. They may have a chance against Spring Ford. I think Spring Ford probably gets them but I think the final score will be close.
Also, the AAA District 7 bracket was just released. You will have three phenomenal quarter finals.
The District 3 bracket should come out soon. With the absurd way they seed, there should be some great quarter finals there too.
| They beat Pennridge and Sun Valley? Idk ab that one chief.
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Posted: Jan 26 2023 at 3:26pm |
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They beat Pennridge and Sun Valley? Idk ab that one chief. |
Pennridge beat Quakertown by 5 the first time they met. One result flips and QT wins. It'll come down to the wire. Pennridge to Gallagher back and Quakertown got Carroll. Certainly not unfeasible.
Sun Valley has a very balanced team but who have they wrestled this year? No doubting their talent, but also no doubting a lack of competition will hurt them this time of year. Quakertown would battle them tooth and nail and Sun Valley hasn't seen anything close to that level of toughness and skill.
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Posted: Jan 26 2023 at 3:35pm |
mo bloodyoung wrote:
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They beat Pennridge and Sun Valley? Idk ab that one chief. |
Pennridge beat Quakertown by 5 the first time they met. One result flips and QT wins. It'll come down to the wire. Pennridge to Gallagher back and Quakertown got Carroll. Certainly not unfeasible.
Sun Valley has a very balanced team but who have they wrestled this year? No doubting their talent, but also no doubting a lack of competition will hurt them this time of year. Quakertown would battle them tooth and nail and Sun Valley hasn't seen anything close to that level of toughness and skill. |
Talan Hogan was also out so that’s two wrestlers back and the closest individual match was decided by 5 points. Sun Valley wrestled Berks Catholic who is definitely a better dual team than Quakertown and Spring Ford who probably is better too.
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Posted: Jan 26 2023 at 3:43pm |
Dodfan wrote:
The District 3 bracket should come out soon. With the absurd way they seed, there should be some great quarter finals there too. |
I don't understand why District 3 (or anyone else) would think that that particular power ranking formula is a good idea...especially in wrestling. All that formula does is weight a win over a AAA team more than a win over a AA team and weights a loss via a AAA team less than that of a AA team.
Maybe something like works in sports that have more classes or maybe a more balanced schedule where every team gets the same number of games/matches. But it really is a poor way to seed.
I'm pretty sure District 4 AA goes solely on dual meet winning percentage for their seeding. Another head scratcher.
District 11 used to use a dumb (IMO) formula too but I think they finally ditched that. Remember when Stroudsburg was the top seed and teams like Nazareth, Easton, Bethlehem Catholic and others were in the same bracket?
EDIT: Looks like D11 is using a formula to get the top 8 teams in AA and AAA, and then will have a committee seed. Guess that's half a step in the right direction?
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Posted: Jan 26 2023 at 3:50pm |
Russiantie43 wrote:
mo bloodyoung wrote:
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They beat Pennridge and Sun Valley? Idk ab that one chief. |
Pennridge beat Quakertown by 5 the first time they met. One result flips and QT wins. It'll come down to the wire. Pennridge to Gallagher back and Quakertown got Carroll. Certainly not unfeasible.
Sun Valley has a very balanced team but who have they wrestled this year? No doubting their talent, but also no doubting a lack of competition will hurt them this time of year. Quakertown would battle them tooth and nail and Sun Valley hasn't seen anything close to that level of toughness and skill. |
Talan Hogan was also out so that’s two wrestlers back and the closest individual match was decided by 5 points. Sun Valley wrestled Berks Catholic who is definitely a better dual team than Quakertown and Spring Ford who probably is better too. Â
| If they meet again, you probably need to ignore the first dual. Ziegler was not maximized in that matchup putting him at 133 (he is much more useful at 121 against Pennridge) and pennridge was able to get 6 at 107 while bumping Martinelli up to win at 114 and Coffin at 121. That might not work any longer. If Qtown wins tonight, that dual is going down to the wire next Saturday.
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Posted: Jan 26 2023 at 4:39pm |
Russiantie43 wrote:
Dodfan wrote:
I thought the District 1 bracket was filled with potential upsets in it when I first saw it. I think IF Quakertown gets by Pennsbury tonight (they may lose) then they get to the finals as a #6 seed. I also got to see Conestoga last night. They may have a chance against Spring Ford. I think Spring Ford probably gets them but I think the final score will be close.
Also, the AAA District 7 bracket was just released. You will have three phenomenal quarter finals.
The District 3 bracket should come out soon. With the absurd way they seed, there should be some great quarter finals there too.
| They beat Pennridge and Sun Valley? Idk ab that one chief. |
Well, Pennridge can no longer bump up their light weights unless they bump Coffin into Ziegler. I think that's quite unlikely. Pennridge can win if they control the match up at 139 AND Kuhn beats Carroll. If that happens, it goes right down to the wire. Sun Valley probably has a better chance. Quakertown very likely to go 113: Williams, 121: Pfistner and 127: Zeigler. That will be tough for Sun Valley to pick up a win. Carroll has a pin victory over Voghel last year. Sun Valley could go 133: Delaney and 139: Strickland but that would guarantee six for Ziegler. Can Strickland beat Carroll? There's an unfortunate Sun Valley Wrestler that will have to wrestle Collin Gaj. That will probably be six. Who's the upper Weight on Sun Valley that can beat Lachman?
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Posted: Jan 26 2023 at 5:51pm |
Quakertown could beat most teams in D1 on any night on the back of their studs, but two matches like that in a row is just a lot when half your lineup is pretty inexperienced and giving up pins at a pretty high rate. I think Pennridge could win 14 and 39 combined with having Gallagher and Hogan back makes it a tough match for Quakertown. Then if you get through that, Sun valley has depth and is very solid 127->152, at the least, they’ll limit Quakertowns bonus to just Ziegler & Gaj at those weights. Very little room for error.
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Posted: Jan 26 2023 at 11:17pm |
Nice to see Kakos back wrestling.
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Posted: Jan 27 2023 at 11:27am |
I definitely needed the inside info on what the Kennett lineup would look like last night. Great performance by PV no matter what, huge win at 160, should be a confidence builder.
Pennsbury needed to get Von Schmidt off Ziegler - clearly did not have control of that match up. Qtown won it at 114, 127 and 133, great job by those guys coming up big.
OJR with the huge wins at 121 and 133 - awesome when that stuff happens. Especially at 121, he was in huge trouble and flipped the script. They are going to give CR South trouble!
Stoga showed well, Spring-Ford just too balanced. They have a chance at every weight in most matchups.
Boyertown has a freshman get his first career win - a pin with the team trailing and only 3 matches to go. Big moment!
CR South and Pennridge did what was expected, but Rams only give up 13 from 189-285 early in that match, which was doing the job in that matchup and kept SH from getting any momentum. CRS finishes at 160 with a :20 pin from a senior in his first career varsity match. Another great moment!
Looking forward to next weekend!
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